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    Re: Living in the country

    Been drinking large quantities of milk for over 40 years, not going to change now.

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    Re: Living in the country

    The milk I've bought in thailand tasts strange. Pasturized to the point of a very high boil. Seems the milk sold in thailand is formulated and preserved so that it has a very long shelf life. Don't like the tast and I would not buy it again.

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    They have changed somewhat lately.
    Most milk will taste different with each bottle you buy, Most I buy goes to the dogs and wifey still buys FOREMOST and it is sweetened, Dutch mill is mostly for the dogs as the cows eat something that makes the milk stink and taste terrible, But CHOKCHAI FARMS is about the only one that is consistent in flavor, not what you would get but is usable.
    But altho it is WHOLE MILK, it is still what we would have called Blue John and is skim milk quality and the 2% is actually blue where it touches the side of the glass.
    I would say that is is run thru a separator and the cream removed before the milk creamery's ever see it from what I have bought from a dairy up the road aways, but raw milk in Thailand is like playing Russian roulette.

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    Khun Don,
    Ive just read your post #30. In my earlier post I was of course referring to NZ milk and not milk produced in the USA. Your quoted nutritionist made two criticisms that do not apply to NZ milk because:

    (i) NZ milk is mainly grass-fed, with few concentrates fed.
    (ii) NZ cows are not fed artificial growth hormones (they are prohibited).

    The tone of his paper is also emotional and partisan enough to cause me to doubt his impartiality. Our NZ milk (and the pastoral farming system that produces it) is superior to that in USA and much of Europe. It was a disappointment to me that the agricultural aid projects introduced into Thailand in the 1960s and 70s, (eg the Thai-Danish dairy farm at Muak Lek and a similar German effort at Phak Chong) were based on the outmoded and inefficient European models, and ignored the advantages of pastoral farming.
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    Re: Living in the country

    my last bottle of milk i drank in thailand 6 years ago costs me diaherrea for 4 days. til now, i only drink bottle milo in 7-11 though it taste different from my home, safe from drinking it. The rest BAN...!!! 555+

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    N.P. You stated that cows milk straight from the cow is 96% fat free.
    Do you mean all milk, or low fat milk from some cows is lower than High BF milk from other cows.

    I know that some cows give a weaker milk than others, no matter what they are eating, it is that some breeds just give more butterfat % than others.

    Table 1. Average composition of cow's milk.

    -----%-----

    Ayrshire Breed
    3.90 FAT
    3.40 PROTEIN
    4.81 LACTOSE
    0.68 ASH
    8.89 Solids not fat

    Brown Swiss
    3.30
    3.00
    5.08
    0.72
    8.80

    Guernsey
    3.60
    3.20
    4.96
    0.74
    8.90

    Holstein
    3.40
    3.20
    4.87
    0.68
    8.75

    Jersey
    4.40
    3.60
    5.00
    0.70
    9.30
    And the Brahman cows give a milk that is about 5.5 FAT

    Would not that have a bearing on the fat of the milk you drink?

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    G'Day FiP,

    My quoted fat content (4%) is for whole-milk "fresh-from-the-cow, without any treatment whatsover.

    Yes, breed of cow does have an influence on fat content, but as you can see from your figures, it has only a very minor effect (about 1%).

    My purpose in bringing the subject up in the first place was to show the critics that milk does in fact have a very low fat content. From the anti-milk comments I often hear, anyone would think it was 20% or 30% !!

    I understand that most milk produced commercially in Thailand comes from Friesian (Holstein) cows, sometimes crossed with Brahman to give heat and tick resistance. If the milk in Thailand is poor, it will probably be a result of inadequate treatment or storeage. Until about 40 years ago there was no significant dairy industry in Thailand and I understand it is still very small, probably because demand is so low.
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    Re: Living in the country

    Quote Originally Posted by nam phyyng View Post
    Khun Don,
    Ive just read your post #30. In my earlier post I was of course referring to NZ milk and not milk produced in the USA. Your quoted nutritionist made two criticisms that do not apply to NZ milk because:

    (i) NZ milk is mainly grass-fed, with few concentrates fed.
    (ii) NZ cows are not fed artificial growth hormones (they are prohibited).

    The tone of his paper is also emotional and partisan enough to cause me to doubt his impartiality. Our NZ milk (and the pastoral farming system that produces it) is superior to that in USA and much of Europe. It was a disappointment to me that the agricultural aid projects introduced into Thailand in the 1960s and 70s, (eg the Thai-Danish dairy farm at Muak Lek and a similar German effort at Phak Chong) were based on the outmoded and inefficient European models, and ignored the advantages of pastoral farming.
    Agree with you that the tone of the article is emotional, however the essence is true. However while NZ has the good sense to apply high standards, not everywhere else does-including the UK.
    Milk prices to the farmer in the UK have been driven down by what are the main distributors-supermarkets -the milkman and dairy is becoming a thing of the past here. Different practices therefore apply-and it is UK milk David is drinking

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    Though the majority of it does I will add that not all the milk I drink comes from cows; some comes from goats and some from sheeps.

    David
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    Khun Don, - I've read the article in your link (ie about milk from pregnant cows) and all I can say is that a high consumption of milk is a major factor in producing healthy, well grown humans. It beats me why some "researchers" continually attack one of the most healthy foods on earth and I cannot help wondering if they have some other commercial agenda.
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