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    Re: UK cancels visas of Thaksin and wife

    PAD surprised by Thaksin's lifted visa

    (BangkokPost.com) - People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD) leader Chamlong Srimuang said he was surprised that Britain revoked the visas of ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and his wife, Khunying Potjaman.

    He believed the British government withdrew their UK visas because many sides were criticising the appropriateness of Pol Lt-Col Thaksin’s phone-in speech to his supporters on November 1.

    He said the PAD would not give opinions on Pol Lt-Col Thaksin’s effort to seek a political asylum in another country, since this is the ex-premier’s personal matter.

    On Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat’s plan to pay an official visit to the Philippines on Monday, Maj-Gen Chamlong said the government should focus on internal issues instead of making frequent trips to foreign countries.

    Responding to the Abac poll’s indication that people were paying less interest in the PAD’s anti-government movements, he said the demonstration has prolonged and it would not be unusual for the group to have fewer demonstrators.

    Maj-Gen Chamlong said his group’s supporters would rejoin the gathering, should major incidents happen.

    The PAD core members will discuss whether they would hold demonstration in different areas of Bangkok after the royal cremation ceremony for Her Royal Highness Princess Galyani Vadhana.

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    Re: UK cancels visas of Thaksin and wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Khun Don View Post
    Maj-Gen Chamlong said his group’s supporters would rejoin the gathering, should major incidents happen.
    Or failing that, they will create one themselves like he did last time.

    Though I agree Thaksin crossed the line by broadcasting to the mass gathering in the stadium. He should have stayed out of politics like he promised to last year.

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    Re: UK cancels visas of Thaksin and wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Barrow View Post
    Or failing that, they will create one themselves like he did last time.
    Yes-standby for another "they are coming to throw us out of Government House" panic and supporters being bussed in. However, with less demonstrators, at least the "wages" bill goes down!

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    Re: UK cancels visas of Thaksin and wife

    Personally I feel that the UK government have saved themselves a long and probably fruitless battle to extradite him!
    They seized on the opportunity the moment they realised he was absent, revoking his visa and so preventing his return.
    It amazes me just how much trouble we seem to have removing the unwanted, as soon as 'extradition' is mentioned out come all the civil rights advocates, wringing their hands and crying into their coffee!
    This was probably the best solution that could have been reached, unfortunately not to everyone's liking, , but it will keep GB from getting into yet another fine mess!
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    Re: UK cancels visas of Thaksin and wife

    Quote Originally Posted by khunlungphudhu View Post
    Personally I feel that the UK government have saved themselves a long and probably fruitless battle to extradite him!
    They seized on the opportunity the moment they realised he was absent, revoking his visa and so preventing his return.
    It amazes me just how much trouble we seem to have removing the unwanted, as soon as 'extradition' is mentioned out come all the civil rights advocates, wringing their hands and crying into their coffee!
    This was probably the best solution that could have been reached, unfortunately not to everyone's liking, , but it will keep GB from getting into yet another fine mess!
    Totally agree. The Barristers must also be crying into their Gin and Tonics at the thought of the loss of the huge fees an extradition fight would have bought!
    I was in fact most amazed that the government had found the common sense to take this action. I almost applauded -almost.

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    Re: UK cancels visas of Thaksin and wife

    Quote Originally Posted by senaratne View Post
    To my limited knowledge, the fact of the matter is this. Some countries allow entry without visa to diplomatic passport holders while some other countries do not. I even got the list of countries which allow and which do not.
    It actually depends on the nationality of the passport holder.

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    Re: UK cancels visas of Thaksin and wife

    ANALYSIS
    Self-inflicted wound
    By Saritdet Marukatat

    Thaksin made one big mistake: He underestimated the importance of the deep-rooted, close ties between the UK and Thailand.

    The British government's decision to revoke the visas of Thaksin Shinawatra and his wife Khunying Potjaman is a blow to his personal life and more importantly to his political strategy.

    The cancellation of the visas by the United Kingdom Border Agency involves only the couple and not their children. Their son and daughters will still have no problem entering Britain.

    Although the order relates only to their red-covered diplomatic passports, it would be very difficult, if not impossible, for the convicted former prime minister and Khunying Potjaman to apply for entry to the UK using the other passports in their possession.

    Thaksin and Khunying Potjaman have not been declared persona non grata by London, but the cancellation of their visas comes close to that definition. Their chance of entering any British port is now very slim. So is the opportunity for them to be granted political asylum, a status he sought from the British Home Office in August.

    Thaksin knew very well that he could not afford to upset the British government by making any political moves while his application for political asylum was being processed in London. So he decided to send his message to his red-shirted loyalists at Rajamangala stadium on Nov 1 from Hong Kong. The one big mistake he made was to underestimate the importance of the deep-rooted, close ties between the UK and Thailand.

    Living the quiet life in London after the coup and his conviction in a Thai court was not impossible. Instead, his political activities were making the British government increasingly uncomfortable and putting a strain on its relations with Thailand.

    The best way out for the British government was to kill off his bid for political asylum as soon as possible, and that was made possible by the decision to revoke their visas.

    Now Thaksin has to find a new base overseas that will allow him to keep sending messages to his supporters in Thailand. However, he will have to think very carefully about his family ties as he and his wife can no longer visit their children in London, if the children decide to stay there.

    The British government realised the importance of its relations with Thailand at all levels and knew that should not be jeopardised by one man.

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    Re: UK cancels visas of Thaksin and wife

    Hmm. Not so sure the importance of ties with Thailand figured greatly here-had they done the government would have moved much sooner, surely?.

    As the article intimates,Thaksin just presented the UK government with an opportunity to be rid of someone who was fast becoming seen as an irritant -and maybe even a contemptuous one- with his foreign travel and increasingly high profile political activity while pleading for asylum.

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    Re: UK cancels visas of Thaksin and wife

    Who wants a criminal entering there country. Thaksin needs to retune his stolen money back to the Thai people.

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    Re: UK cancels visas of Thaksin and wife

    Britain must have monitored Thaksin's move: Chirmsak
    By The Nation

    Chirmsak Pinthong, a former senator known to be anti-Thaksin, presents his views on crucial questions surrounding the UK government's decision to revoke the visas of Thaksin Shinawatra and his wife Pojama. Here are excerpts:

    Why did the UK authorities make this decision?

    First of all, England was exercising its sovereign rights, which do not need to be explained and nobody can sue London for anything.

    One theory is that the British authorities must have monitored the situation for quite some time. When someone involved with a political crisis in a foreign country came to reside in England, all the related developments and activities must have been closely monitored by London's intelligence.

    It's unlikely the British intelligence and security people had been blind and deaf when it concerned Thaksin. Great Britain, therefore, must have been dissatisfied with Thaksin's attempt to use England as a base to order or command or take part in activities that affect Thailand's internal politics.

    They might have seen Thai politicians enter and leave England to get instructions, advice or "supplies" for political activities in Thailand. Or they might have heard about Thaksin's phone conversations with his media and subordinates both in Bangkok and the provinces.

    In addition, Thaksin's other activities in England were no less suspicious. That he bought Manchester City and sold it just a year after at double the price raised questions if he was doing transparent business, or whether the whole thing was part of a not so noble financial plan. And how much of the Manchester City transactions involved Thaksin's controversial wealth? Whereas England was not a directly damaged party where Manchester City was concerned, the country had its own standards on transparency and good governance.

    Then there was the issue of Thai protesters getting killed and maimed through mob dispersal methods not advocated in other civilised, democratic countries.

    Why now?

    Revoking visas while Thaksin was overseas kept the UK courts out of the process of getting rid of him and pre-empting the headache of thinking where to send him and his wife. England, obviously, didn't want to be seen as sending the couple back to be jailed in Thailand.

    And the visa revocation followed the Thai Supreme Court's guilty verdict against Thaksin in the Ratchadaphisek land case as well as his phone-in speech from Hong Kong attacking the Thai judicial system and distorting the ruling.

    Exercising its sovereign power when the couple was outside England was the most appropriate, convenient and effective thing to do.

    While publicising it through airline notification?

    It's normal and logical. Airlines need to have such information or they could face the consequence of having to bring back banned individuals to countries where they boarded the planes.

    What else does the UK move mean?

    Even a democratic country like England doesn't give total importance to election results. Most of all, it shames the government of Thaksin's brother-in-law which has not even suspended Thaksin's passports yet.

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