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    ͧ͢

    i want to know why " "sounds differently beween and ͧ͢?

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    Re: ͧ͢

    If I understand you correctly, when you hear by itself it is pronounced with a long vowel, but when it is in a word compound such as ͧ͢, unless spoken slowly, it seems to be pronounced with a shorter vowel sound.

    Is that your question?

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    Re: ͧ͢

    It should not sound different.

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    Re: ͧ͢

    Quote Originally Posted by syn View Post
    It should not sound different.
    I agree Khun syn, it should sound exactly the same, as it is the same word, but IMHO when Thai people say it, the majority of them pronounce much faster when saying ͧ͢ than when just saying on it's own.
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    Re: ͧ͢

    as i heard, sounds softer and more slowly then ͧ͢ . any way, i just try to

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    Re: ͧ͢

    I don't think "" is an exception. Generally if a long-vowel syllable is at the beginning of a word compound it will be pronounced "shorter". Let's take a look at the word "";

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    In the first example, "" is pronounced "shorter" than in the second example. I don't think it's something that needs to be remembered, it's something that will come naturally.

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    Re: ͧ͢

    Isn't a short vowell?

    I do hear a difference in your examples, but I think it's more related to conversational flow and emphasis than vowell length. If I'm wrong, please correct!

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    Re: ͧ͢

    That is an interesting observation, 5tash. Thanks.

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    Re: ͧ͢

    You find this kind of different Vowel Lenghts in many Words.

    But like Pailin said I think it has more to do with Emphasis.

    Another good example is the Word

    1.



    ӵ


    2. Һ

    ӹ


    In the Examples under 1. the Word sounds shorter

    as in the Examples under 2. the Word sounds much longer with more Stress and Emphasis.
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    Re: ͧ͢

    Quote Originally Posted by Pailin View Post
    Isn't a short vowell?

    I do hear a difference in your examples, but I think it's more related to conversational flow and emphasis than vowell length. If I'm wrong, please correct!
    Yes, is a short vowel, but is an an exception to the rule, it is considered to be a long vowel.

    I agree, in conversational flow, long-vowel syllables that appear at the beginning of word compounds lose their "length" and sound shorter (I think this is the difference the OP is talking about). I don't think this phenomenon has anything to do with emphasis, though. I have Domnern Sathienpong's CD dictionary, which has sound samples spoken by native Thais and the difference in vowel length of in word compounds such as and can clearly be heard.

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