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    The word 'JUST'

    i am trying to differentiate between two words, pheerng & gee for the word just

    i sometimes hear gee said as muea gee? but what is the difference between the 2 & can someone please show a sentence example

    llike i just came from the market; pom pherng/muea gee maa talaat??

    thank you

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    Re: The word 'JUST'

    Quote Originally Posted by monkleigh View Post
    i am trying to differentiate between two words, pheerng & gee for the word just

    i sometimes hear gee said as muea gee? but what is the difference between the 2 & can someone please show a sentence example

    llike i just came from the market; pom pherng/muea gee maa talaat??

    thank you
    both just / just now
    - but pherng (using your transcription) being an auxiliary verb
    so : pherng + verb
    and muea gee (nee) being a time thingy -- what is it called ?? <alcohol clouding me>: something like yesterday. tomorrow, Saturday,..etcetc..


    probably something like in english - not sure cos isnt my mother tongue -
    I just came from the market
    Just now, I came from the market

    depending on which word it can need a different structure of the sentence

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    Re: The word 'JUST'

    ͡ or ͡ would be just now...
    just now it was raining / blah blah

    - JUST got to know..(about it)

    someone correct me if i am wrong..

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    Re: The word 'JUST'

    Quote Originally Posted by alvinkhoo View Post
    - JUST got to know..(about it)

    someone correct me if i am wrong..


    An example of the use of pherng roo can be found in the song ѡ pherng roo wa rak

    And - of course - this song has been translated before in Paknam already
    http://www.thailandqa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5967

    looking at the pherng roo part - copying it from the post with the translation from a certain "poding" :

    ѹѡ ѹ ҵ駹ҹ
    chan perng roo waa rak ter chan perng roo meua dai kon hua jai mee ter yoo laew maa dtang naan

    I just realised that I love you, I just realised that once I searched my heart, you were already there for a long time

    A very good translation which can give you an idea of the use. Within the context, it is clear why roo was translated as realise instead of know.

    If you would use muea kee (nee) instead of pherng, then you would have to change the order/structure of the sentence to make it possible. But of course it wouldn't work in the song.
    An example of using muea kee(nee) with roo would be a combination with pherng :
    pherng roo muea kee (+nee optional (+ eng optional again))

    ͡ ͡ ͧ͡

    other possibility : pherng + ja + verb
    pherng ja roo 觨

    or : ...

    combinations/examples with "just came from the market" :
    ͡仵Ҵ
    仵Ҵ

    ---------- most imporatant part to remember -------
    if you were to put in the personal pronoun, you'll get to see the difference between the 2 words :
    ͡ 仵Ҵ mueakee + subject + verb
    仵Ҵ subject + pherng + verb

    where the subject can be left out because it is Thai language

    AND that ͡ mueakeenee can be put at the end of the sentence, with or without the combination of pherng at the beginning

    ()仵Ҵͧ͡ (pherng)pai talaad maa mueakeeneeeng


    ------> that would be the most important thing to remember about the difference



    more :
    ҨҡҴ
    觡ѺҨҡҴ


    Not to mention that there are more synonyms for mueakee

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    Re: The word 'JUST'

    thanks kpoyd..very detailed again explanation (as always..! )
    i guess that 觶֧ҹ is right to0..?

    1. 仵Ҵ means it has already occurred..?
    2. or ͡ سԹ (PS: can i use instead of to indicate past tense..?)

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    Re: The word 'JUST'

    Quote Originally Posted by alvinkhoo View Post
    thanks kpoyd..very detailed again explanation (as always..! )
    i guess that 觶֧ҹ is right to0..?

    1. 仵Ҵ means it has already occurred..?
    2. or ͡ سԹ (PS: can i use instead of to indicate past tense..?)
    觶֧ҹ is very right

    1. yes, it has already occurred

    verb + combination makes it a recent past
    so in a way you can look at as another option instead of to construct a past tense - but with some different nuance : that it recently happened.
    or also possible : verb + +

    ҹ
    ҹ
    ҹ

    2. when using to indicate a past tense, you can use but NOT
    (there is some use of after the verb, but don't bother or use it at the moment : I wouldn't even know how to correctly explain the use of it)

    so your sentence ( or ͡ سԹ) is wrong

    needs to stick with the verb, don't let the subject come in between
    it's a bit like (will) : +verb +verb
    so : you++verb
    BUT : ͡ + you + verb

    if you use a in that sentence, then it would be to accentuate that you went to a place, somewhere else to eat, that you didn't eat at home

    仡Թ I just went to eat something (and finished eating)

    BTW don't forget to use ҹ instead of Թ as a first choice of "to eat"

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    Re: The word 'JUST'

    thanks kpoyd...
    noted on the usage n0w..

    i was told by a native speaker this:
    Թ - what did y0u eat..?
    i believe Թ would surely be m0re fitting..?

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    Re: The word 'JUST'

    One thing I've noticed is time frame flexibility with similar to that of 'just'. And ͡ seems to be locked into a rather recent time frame as is 'a moment ago'. For example, we can say

    I just ate. ѹ觡Թ
    I just found out Wednesday. ѹѹظ
    I just got back from the U.S. last week. ѹ觡ѺҡѰѻ͹

    So we can use to talk about something that just occured moments ago, or a relatively short time ago. In the last sentence, the relativity might come from the person only traveling once a year, making one week ago relatively recent. In the second sentence, maybe others had known for weeks already. The first sentence suggests the person ate minutes ago, since most people go hours between meals. So a qualification isn't really necessary here, and sort of defaults to its 'a moment ago' usage as does 'just'. And even though has this default definition of 'a moment ago', absent anything else in the sentence to suggest otherwise, we can still do more to emphasize the recentness of the event by adding ͡. Here's an example from my book Thai Reference Grammar.

    Your friend was on the boat that just left.
    ͹س躹ͷ͡͡

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    Re: The word 'JUST'

    seems like is primarily in front first as the informative occurance and then ͡ (if/when needed) briefs more on the content of the happenings..?

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    Re: The word 'JUST'

    1. jaibaan made a very good point about the difference between and ͡ !

    Quote Originally Posted by alvinkhoo View Post
    seems like is primarily in front first as the informative occurance and then ͡ (if/when needed) briefs more on the content of the happenings..?
    2. and yes, you're right that you can add ͡ like this to give more information and has to be seen in the context of "time frame flexibility" that jaibaan was talking about
    And adding the ͧ at the and will emphasize the "just now" ͧ͡
    But ͡ can be used without just as well

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