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    Now I have noticed on this web site there seems to be people who take it on them selves to be the word POLICE, I have had my own English corrected so many times, If some thing is spelt incorrectly, if you don't know what the word is, that just shows me that your English is so poor you cannot understand incorrect spelling.
    In Sydney Australia I have to understand herds of different migrants and there English problems, I have to decipher, there bad grammar, there poor pronunciation and there bad spelling. That makes me an expert on English, more so than some chain learnt university trained teacher from the USA or England. So for this reason next time I go to Thailand, If excepted I will be going back to school in Paknam Samut Prakan, to give an English language lesion on how to decipher Broken English, as I can impersonating people from every ethnic group,, When you travel the world, your not going to here articulated English speech like you see on TV from native English speakers, like my self, what your going to here is broken English And that in Australia is English from people who are not from your country and which English is not there first language.
    Now when I was in Thailand This March I realized the Thai people's English is to be quite honest very poor compared with my recent visit to that other none English country Sweden.
    To me I see all these Thai schools giving paid jobs to some English native speaker with a university degree, who very well may have no charisma to inspire kids into learning, But I guarantee some one with charisma with no degree in English like Actor Steve Erwin the Crocodile hunter could inspirer more English language skills in one day then some graduate could in one month. I think the selection criteria for teachers in Thailand is to much academic and not enough practical, you should get out of the class room and get onto the street.
    I think Thailand could get an award for broken English ability, there level of English is way below countries like the Philippines which has an economy who's average per capiter income is half that of Thailand.
    Personally I don't have the time to teach Thai people English more for any more than a week and it would not be financially worth my time even if I did have a degree, But I think the Thai people should look at Paying more charismatic native speaker, to get a better class of English teacher, and to stop procrastinating on if they have a degree or not, that way more schools would have teachers. It would have to be better than using some of there own paid none native English teachers as some of there broken English is so bad, if I did not have broken English skills I would not understand them, just to think these teachers are teaching, Thai students to speak a Thai form of broken English, and the Thai government is willing to waist money on these people just because they have a degree,
    Thailand wake up Just use charismatic native speaker and don't waist your time on some home grown teacher that cannot speak English, just because they have a degree. The degree is secondary in importance and your not going to get native speaking volunteers in every school if your not going to pay them, not every school has a world famous web site to attract teachers for free.



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    Paul_au

    I can only assume that youre an expert on listening only. The native speaker still made grammatically errors; therefore, its forgiven for Thai people whose English is not their first language. Im quite certain that a lot of Thai people who read your message appreciate your remark regarding the way to improve their broken English. Bless your heart.

    You mentioned that you had seen a word- police on this website, you can jump in to straight them out. That would be really kind of you.

    The Philippine was once colonized by America, not to mention Spain, so they were forced to use English as their official language. Thailand, on the other hand, still has her people speaking broken English for she herself has never been forced to adopt foreign language as her official one. Simple is that.

    Obviously, I have some Thai in me so that makes me Thai, too. I have a tendency of giving myself a break about English for I always have an excuse to say that I wasnt born under an influence of any nation. To have broken English is not really a big deal to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Now when I was in Thailand This March I realized the Thai people's English is to be quite honest very poor compared with my recent visit to that other none English country Sweden.
    Countries from northern Europe have more facilities to speak English because they take part from Anglo saxon ethnic language group. As French have facilities to speak Italian, portuguese and spanish because they take part of the latin ethnic language group .
    If you have different basis language, it's understanding you have more difficulties to learn this language.
    A language is in relation with cultural habits, different pronunciation, sounds difficult to pronunce if you are not native from this ethnic language group.
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    I am sorry! I didn't understand what you said.Could you please repeat that again?

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    I admire any person who speaks a language (in any way that is understood by native speakers) that is not their native language. I have absolutely no tolerance for people who are native English speakers and still butcher the language. If the person has dyslexia or some other learning disability, that is another story. Otherwise, I just assume the person is lazy and ignorant.
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    I agree with vc45 and I would add that a native speaker who butchers their own language throws up a red flag to me in that it hints strongly that they do not pay close attention to details in other aspects of their life. Conversely, a foreigner who masters English, as an example, indicates to me that they have far more on the ball in their life than their ability to articulate the language. Examples of such people can be found right here on this forum (you know who you are).

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    Paul_au,

    EXCUSE ME??? i could not help myself after reading your msg here about how they( thai) have very poor english..

    "I think Thailand could get an award for broken English ability, there level of English is way below countries like the Philippines which has an economy who's average per capiter income is half that of Thailand."

    How could you say such thing. Now before you jump in and saying their english are bad..I suggested you read your own post again. I dont know who you are and what you are, but to me, It seems like you are bregging too much about yourself here sir!!

    I know for the fact that you are not all of that Mr! just look at your post here, I found more MISTAKES on your post then anyone in this thread.

    You've got very bad Grammer, your spelling is totally off. let me give you and advice, next time before you open your mouth and start criticizing how bad their english are and before you go there and correct them, i suggested you get your self a dictionary.

    Now, i know i am not saying i have perfect english myself but i sure give credit to those teachers for teaching those student what they've learn. at least they are shairing their knowledge with others. geeeeeeeeeeezz you are getting on my nerves!



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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Now, i know i am not saying i have perfect english myself but i sure give credit to those teachers for teaching those student what they've learn. at least they are shairing their knowledge with others. geeeeeeeeeeezz you are getting on my nerves!
    Don't get excited Bopha_MeanMjass, it's bad for your heart
    paul_au is paul_au. We should force him to eat a dictionnary. Possible he will learn the grammar! If not it will be a mean for him stop talking!
    Because if he speak as he write.... ( what he say and how he say)
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    Gor Gai

    Paul_au, I am not sure what your point is with this post: are you saying that students should learn broken English because that will prepare them better for conversations with people around the world? Or are you saying that when it comes to hiring English teachers, laypeople with "charisma" should be preferred over people with a degree who are actually qualified to be teachers?

    If the latter is the case, I disagree with you. While it certainly makes learning easier if a teacher has the ability to motivate students (if that's what you mean by "charisma"), this ability alone is not sufficient enough for serious English education. I have had my share of such teachers over the last few years: they were connecting with the classroom, they made than one hour fun, sure! However, the class time we spent with these folks was not productive. We didn't learn anything. Whether it was because they didn't know how to convey their knowledge effectively, or because their knowledge was meager to begin with, I am not sure. Either way, I feel that most such people use their "charismatic" skills just to hide their inabilities in other aspects of teaching. If I want to see actors, I go to the theater. If I want to be amused by clowns, I go to the circus. However, when I want to learn something as complex as a language, I prefer qualified teachers with a degree - not because of the piece of paper, but because it is an indication of their commitment, and because they might actually know what they are doing.

    Don't get me wrong, it is great if teachers are able to reach the class beyond the dry lectures of a textbook. But it is only the icing on the cake. Charismatic people with proper education is the ideal combination.

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    I do find Paul's logic intreresting. If I understand him correctly (and I might not since I have formal training and teach at a university), he is trying to convince us that he is qualified to teach English (broken English) as a foreign language. His rationale appears to be that, since he cannot speak English well either, he is uniquely qualified to teach the language to others who are having difficulty with pronunciation and grammar. Additional qualifications appear to be his charisma and his ability to mimic the broken English speaking patterns of non-native English speakers. How am I doing so far?
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