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    Re: Yingluck 'will be forced to stand down'

    Speaking of Heads of States in Asia who stayed too long in office, Ferdinand Marcos ruled the Philippines from 1965 to 1986 (21 years). As Wikipedia has it-

    He was a Filipino dictator who held the title of President of the Philippines from 1965 to 1986. He was a lawyer, member of the Philippine House of Representatives (1949–1959) and a member of the Philippine Senate (1959–1965). He was Senate President from 1963-1965.

    While in power he implemented wide-ranging programs of infrastructure development and economic reform. However, his administration was marred by massive authoritarian corruption, despotism, nepotism, political repression, and human rights violations.

    In 1983, his government was accused of being involved in the assassination of his primary political opponent, Benigno Aquino, Jr. Public outrage over the assassination served as the catalyst for the People Power Revolution in February 1986 that led to his removal from power and eventual exile in Hawaii. It was later discovered that he and his wife Imelda Marcos had moved billions of dollars of embezzled public funds to the United States, Switzerland, and other countries, as well as into alleged corporations during his 20 years in power."
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    It's interesting to note the similarities in accusations hurled at Marcos being shared by Thaksin now (the parts I placed in bold letters), especially that of enriching himself while in power. I can also see the same strategy used in achieving their objectives. Under the Philippine constitution, Marcos could have stayed for only a maximum of 2 terms or 8 years in office. But he declared marshal law in 1972 to change the rules of the game, thus allowing himself to continue his reign. And he could have been president for life had the Filipinos not moved to unseat him through People Power Revolution, somewhat similar to what is happening in Thailand now.

    Analysts have suggested that Thaksin is trying the same approach, i.e, by working on amending the constitution to change the game to his favor, though by remote control using strings attached to his sister. I don't have to mention how some Thais saw through the infamous Amnesty Bill which could have paved the way for his unencumbered return. Apparently this is also the reason the protesters always invoke his name (Thaksin! Thaksin! Thaksin!) precisely because that's the root, the moving force of all this upheaval. In the Philippine People Power Revolution, the magic word that triggered the millions to join the marches was "Marcos".
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    Re: Yingluck 'will be forced to stand down'

    However the People Power Revolution had a majority of voters behind them unlike the pro-Democrats who lost the last five elections, if I'm counting right, and I doubt they win the sixth one.

    "While in power he implemented wide-ranging programs of infrastructure development and economic reform. However, his administration was marred by massive authoritarian corruption, despotism, nepotism, political repression, and human rights violations."

    Well take away the infrastructure development and economic reforms and you are not too far from some of Thaksin's predecessors. I don't think anyone seriously believe he was the first to enriching himself. And many of his voters from the rural areas have no illusions when they state they feel all politicians and the whole system are corrupt but Thaksin was the first to do something to improve their lives.

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    Re: Yingluck 'will be forced to stand down'

    Same thing with Marcos regime, if we continue to compare. He also helped the poor, especially people from the North where he came from. His positive contributions were not overlooked at all. But on balance they were weighed down by negative issues considered to be more crucial to Filipinos, and which reached excessive levels to a point where the people couldn't take it anymore. That's why they mounted the move to unseat him. In the same manner, I don't think the Thai protesters are saying Thaksin didn't do good things to the poor, but they are assailing him for his perceived massive wrongdoings.

    I am sure Thaksin is a hero to some Thais, especially to his direct beneficiaries.
    Interestingly, in the region where Marcos hailed from, he's revered as a big hero there.
    A 99-ft concrete bust of his was erected in his hometown to honor him.

    A matter of perspective, I suppose?

    About the 'timing', Thaksin's predecessors were not saints as well-but why these protests NOW? Hmm, is this a matter of awakening? Or a feeling that one has to start somewhere? Or temper? Or a degree of perceived excesses? Or a cry for change? Or a confluence of factors?

    I really don't know. The Thai protesters are in a better position to answer, I guess.
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    Re: Yingluck 'will be forced to stand down'

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    "To the international community and citizens of the world,


    This letter is in response to the request by the government of Ms. Yingluck Shinawatra for foreign governments to denounce the peaceful and lawful demonstration against her government by the Thai people and to por
    tray the actual situation in Thailand at the moment.
    Following the various controversial, dishonest and unlawful acts of the government of Ms. Yingluck Shinawatra, the Thai people have united together to demand for righteousness and democratic practicality that such government had earlier promised. Let us now touch upon them in some details.

    Discontentment of the Thai people

    The various unlawful acts and corruption by the government of Ms. Yingluck Shinawatra have triggered the discontentment of the Thai people. Moreover, the Government used its overwhelming majority in the House of Representatives and influence in the Senate to move towards parliamentary dictatorship. The government also ignored the practive of good governance and had no respect for the rule of law.

    There is no such phenomenon as clash of classes in Thailand. The continued demonstrtions do not stem only from the discontentment of the middle class in Bangkok alone but also from the nation wide demand for righteousness. The Puea Thai Party and the government of Ms. Yingluck Shinawatra boasted that they were infavour of the poor and used populist policies to win the elections of 2010. it is now clearly evident that such intention and policies are more apparent than real. Here are just a few examples.

    1. The government of Ms. Yingluck Shinawatra has destroyed the rule of law by submitting an Amnesty Bill to white wash Pol. Lt. Co. Thaksin Shinawatra, former Prime Minister, from his corruption charges and his involvement in the violence during the years 2009-2010. Moreover, this Amnesty Bill which is now pending confirmation by the House of Representatives will also put a stop tofurther investigation in to Pol. Lt. Col Thaksin Shinawatra's involvement in extrajudicial killing and abuse of human rights in the three Souther Border Provinces as well as the killings during the "war on drugs". The Bill also aims to reimburse Pol.Lt.Col. Thaksin Shinawatra a sum of $1.5 billion which was seized when he was found guilty of corruption and other charges in 2010.

    2. The Rice Mortgage Scheme which Pol.Lt.Col Thaksin Shinawatra explicitly and publicly claims to be his initiative had led the country to lose $13 billion. It also destroyed Thailand's competitiveness in the world rice market. Moreover, this scheme has many loopholes which enable public officials involved to embezzle some of the money.
    3. The government of Ms. Yingluck Shinawatra has attempted ot circumvent budgetary practice by submitting a bill to enable it to secure a loan of $70 billion for infrastructure megaprojects. This bill is only 4 pages long and contains vague details of the projects. If approved, the country would be subject to 50 years of repayment.

    4. The government of Ms. Yingluck Shinawatra had also implemented a number of populist policies. These include excise tax reduction for the first car, credit card for farmers, revolving fund for villages, and free electricity and water supply. These vote catching policies have caused irreparable damage to the country's fiscal situation as well as impregnating the "culture of beggars" amongst the people. Responsible politians and governments will never introduce such policies. Polulist policies produce votes for the government's party but rip the people of determination for self betterment and the value of work ethics.

    Corruption:

    The self exiled Pol.Lt.Col. Thaksin Shinawatra is still facing a number of corruption charges as well as malpractice charges in the Thai courts. Here are examples of corruption and human right violation charges against him.

    -The conflict of interest case related to the $2.2 billion tax free sale of Shin Corp, his telecommunications company, to Temasek Holding, a Singaporean Company.

    -Assisting his former wife to purchase land from a state agency at unrealistic price.

    -Corruption in relation to the purchase/hiring of explosive detector and equipment for Suvannabhumi Airport from GE Invision Inc. causing a damage to the country of approximately $80 million.

    -Abuse of authority in approving Exim Bank loan to Myanmar which resulted in benefit for Shin Corp.

    -Unlawful change of telecommunication concession fees into exise tax which allegedly benefited Shin Corp while causing an equivalent loss of $230million to the country.

    -Malsfeasante in granting loan of approximately $400 m from state owned Krung Thai Bank to a company owned by his cronies and son.

    Malpractice:

    -Abuse and violation of human rights on Muslim population in Sounthern Border Provinces which caused 108 deaths at Krue Sae Mosque, and 35 deaths at the Tak Bai incidents. Furthermore, during the first government of Pol.Lt.Col Thaksin Shinawatra, 18 human rights defenders were assasinated and one disappeared.

    -Involvement in extrajudicial killings of over 2,700 individuals during the "war on drug" campaign between 2003-2005. Pol.Lt.Col Thaksin Shinawatara subsequently admitted that such campaign was a mistake. It was also found to be qualified as case of crime against humanity by independent investigative committee.

    All of the above cases were investigated by a special taask force set up after the coup of 2006. The proceeding was nonetheless in accorrdance with the Thai criminal code and not special law.

    It is well known that Ms. Yingluck Shinawatra is a proxy of Pol.Lt.Co. Thaksin Shinawatra. She has no political experience before assuming the office of Prime Minister. Similarly the Puea Thai Party is under a total control of Pol.Lt.Col Thaksin Shinawatra. Thus all significant appointments have been made by Pol.Lt.Col. Thaksin Shinawatra and not by Ms. Yingluck Shinawatra who is neither leader of the party nor member of its executive committee.

    At present nepotism is spreading widely in the Thai society and has crept into the civil service and law enforcement agencies. The government of Ms. Yingluck Shinawata had shown its "true color" in contrast to its promised manifestos and this has brought the people to the street and join the current demonstrations.

    Finally and most significant is the fact that the government of Ms. Yingluck Shinawaatra had destroyed the "true democratic value", which Thai people hold dear.

    The Thai people value transparent and accountable government as well as politicians who respect the rule of law. On the other hand, the government keeps on insisting that it was elected through democratic process but it avoids mentioning that the election was full of fraud and vote rigging. Pol.Lt.Col. Thaksin Shinawatra used his enormous wealth to bribe local politicians, government officials, the press and academicians in so doing. Check and balance is absent in the House of Representatives while Ms. Yingluck Shinawatra seldom answered questions and rarely attended the sessions. Censure motions were regarded by the government as joke.
    The principle of rule of law, check and balance and separation of power was further eroded when the Puea Thai members of the House of Representatives filed rebellion charge against the Constitution Court judges on its ruling on the draft constitutional amendment regarding the composition of the Senates. That was because the Court ruled that the move was unconstitutional.

    Some Puea Thai members of Parliament committed fraud by proxy voting. Discrepancies were also found in the draft submitted to the Parliament and which was used for deliberation. So, how could the Thai people place their faith and trust on the government that used every possible means to abuse the executive and legislative power given to it for vested interest rathere than national interest.

    John Locke once stated in the Two Treatises on Government "that "....when people are made miserable, and find themselves exposed to the ill usage of arbitrary power…..will be ready upon any occasion to ease themselves of a burden that sits heavy upon them". And ".....if a long train of abuses, prevarications and artifices, all tending the same way, make the design visible to the people, and they cannot but feel what they lie under, and see wither they are going, it is not to be wondered that they should then roused themselves, and endeavour to put the rule into such hands which may secure to them the ends for which government was first erected and without which, ancient names and specious forms are so far from being better, that they are much worse than the state of nature of pure anarchy; the inconveniences being all as great and as near, but the remedy farther off and more difficult.

    It therefore goes without saying that the Thai people hold legitimate and lawful rights to protect their country from corrupt and unlawful government and to remove it from power. Such government had caused irreparable damages to their beloved country and the Thai people cannot allow it to hold on to power so as to further abuse the nation.

    On behalf of the Thai people, we ask for your understanding of the true situation in Thailand and to support the patriotic and selfless Thai people in exercising their rights to protect their country from the tyrannical government of Ms. Yingluck Shinawatra who is a puppet of her brother Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra.

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    Re: Yingluck 'will be forced to stand down'

    In spite of " … irreparable damages to their beloved country … ", the Thai people have realized fantastic economic groth over the last decade and a half.

    Why does it always have to boil down to "if you ain't for us, you're against us"? -"someone"

    We all know Thaksin is a scumbag.

    What is rarely pointed out is that the vast majority of "the opposition" are also scumbags.

    And, speaking of "puppets", it has already been pointed out the Fearless Leader is nothing more than a puppet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curt View Post
    In spite of " … irreparable damages to their beloved country … ", the Thai people have realized fantastic economic groth over the last decade and a half.

    Why does it always have to boil down to "if you ain't for us, you're against us"? -"someone"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curt View Post
    And, speaking of "puppets", it has already been pointed out the Fearless Leader is nothing more than a puppet.

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    Please explain about another puppet as you mention....whose puppet, how and why?


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    Re: Yingluck 'will be forced to stand down'

    Nice Facebook quote and cartoon. Now I understand.

    All these players have their benefactors. They are not in it for "the people".

    http://www.chiangraitimes.com/news/20951.html
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    Re: Yingluck 'will be forced to stand down'

    Quote Originally Posted by Curt View Post
    Nice Facebook quote and cartoon. Now I understand.

    All these players have their benefactors. They are not in it for "the people".

    http://www.chiangraitimes.com/news/20951.html
    I do not understand...if the thai army supports anti-government and Suthep as the chiangraitimes online quote from Reuter

    If both of them are not for "the people", then "the people" should ignore its political?
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    Re: Yingluck 'will be forced to stand down'

    These are old army. Not the current people in charge.

    The current generals actually seem not so political, or, at least, have no axe to grind.

    Back to the economic point I made.

    My point was, how has the "Thaksin clan" caused "… irreparable damages to their beloved country …"? How has "the regime" impacted you? Hopefully, you will recover.

    All politicians are corrupt. One can not get into office, at this level, on their own merits. They all have their benefactors. If you check Suthep's background, you will notice a few less than minor indiscretions.

    I'm all for those who rally against Thaksin. I just wish people would be careful with whom the saddle up.

    At this point in time, this seems more about Suthep and cronies than it does about Thaksin or "the people".

    That, and taking some great selfies at the event!


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    Re: Yingluck 'will be forced to stand down'

    It boils down to two gangs of spoilt rich brats feuding over the ownership-and benefit of- of a football which both think they have an automatic right to own-even though is not theirs and never was.
    Very sadly the football in question here happens to be populated-and THEY are the rightful owners of such.

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