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    Re: Who is running for president in the U.S.A.?

    Well, I'm cynical too. Every thinking person is. Of course money comes from corporations and special interest groups, and now that "corporations are people, too" it is much worse. Monsanto, NRA, Wall Street . . . . The list goes on and on . . . . . These things are NOT secrets. There are many sheep who pay no attention, but the information is available.

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    "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government." Thomas Jefferson

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    Re: Who is running for president in the U.S.A.?

    This information on campaign funding is a bit dated, but still good information:

    https://www.opensecrets.org/resource...rocracy/04.php

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    Re: Who is running for president in the U.S.A.?

    In the wake of the Oregon shootings-the 45th mass shooting in the US THIS YEAR, it is interesting to see what money the NRA spends on political donations to maintain the status quo-
    https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/sum...?id=D000000082

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    Re: Who is running for president in the U.S.A.?

    Thank you, Khun Don. I was actually trying to find the amount donated to each current presidential candidate. Maybe I should try searching out each candidate individually. Later, though.

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    Re: Who is running for president in the U.S.A.?

    Most NRA members are law abiding and responsible gun owners and are just trying to preserve their constitutional right to own a firearm. Firearm deaths are down the list compared to, for instance medical errors. I would think people and presidential candidates would be more outraged at something like this.
    http://www.hospitalsafetyscore.org/n...vementstooslow

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    Re: Who is running for president in the U.S.A.?

    Indeed most NRA members are probably responsible gun owners-but a percentage are not -and the NRA consistently campaigns to ensure this percentage remains in its resistance to tightening up gun laws to the extent of campaigning to keep open a loophole in the legislation that allows private sales of weapons at gun shows without any background checks!!
    Concerns over Hospital safety are really of no comparison here, shocking as they are-we have such in the UK as well- as such are mostly down to unforgivable incompetence -not deliberate acts of mass murder by those with mental health issues.

    11 myths about the future of US gun control debunked.

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    Re: Who is running for president in the U.S.A.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khun Don View Post
    Concerns over Hospital safety are really of no comparison here, shocking as they are-we have such in the UK as well- as such are mostly down to unforgivable incompetence -not deliberate acts of mass murder by those with mental health issues.
    No comparison? More deaths in the USA are from medical errors than firearms - so where do we put our priorities?

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    Re: Who is running for president in the U.S.A.?

    But the point here is not about numbers.
    It is about the prevention of murder (something very rare in the medical profession. Obviously the medical profession must seriously address the issue of avoidable deaths-and it does so through disciplinary procedures including permanently striking off of incompetent Doctors and Surgeons.)
    The loopholes in the laws governing the availability of guns to those with mental problems etc has been left in limbo for years despite all the avoidable deaths arising from which-nearly 1000 in the last 3 years alone.
    How far, for example has Michael Bloomberg and his many supporters got since starting their campaign to tighten gun laws in 2006?
    Nowhere.
    This is mainly thanks to constant NRA lobbying to resist any change whatsoever in US gun laws to the detriment of a lot of school and college kids.
    The inadequacy of current US Gun Laws is a matter that all the prospective presidential candidates should be made to publicly address, surely? Not suggesting here the 2nd amendment should be repealed-or that action to tighten access to guns would solve all the problems either.

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    Re: Who is running for president in the U.S.A.?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterA View Post
    Most NRA members are law abiding and responsible gun owners and are just trying to preserve their constitutional right to own a firearm. Firearm deaths are down the list compared to, for instance medical errors. I would think people and presidential candidates would be more outraged at something like this.
    http://www.hospitalsafetyscore.org/n...vementstooslow
    The shooting was in a "gun free zone". The security guy had no gun per regulation and an armed vet who wanted to help was not let in......
    Banning arms would only help if you can ban illegal guns also.
    So taking all the guns from the responsible gun owners won't help if every crazy guy can still get an illegal gun.

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