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    this story caused quite a buzz at school

    HI

    http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/gene...y-restructured

    All of the teachers were talking about this and none were happy.
    Their main concern was their future and worry about moving or transfering to another school, With new system they can only transfer within their own district.
    It will set up mini fuedal systems with big areas getting much bigger budget"Bangkok" and smaller rural area's being pushed even further away with smaller budgets.

    Granted the education system needs a total over haul but this is typical Thai over reacting putting bandaides on a mortal wound and calling it good. IMO

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    Re: this story caused quite a buzz at school

    I don't really understand it, but to have it a bit more centralized seems like a good idea.
    Just I think this government will complete mess it up as always and at the end it will be worse than before.

    Luckily Gen Prayut is specialist for about just everything so he don't need others recommendations. Taking the structures from a well working system (could be discussed if that is South Korea or rather some Northern European country) and just copy it, is no option I think.....

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    Re: this story caused quite a buzz at school

    One size fits all does not work in the educational system any more than it works with clothing.

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    Re: this story caused quite a buzz at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Susana View Post
    One size fits all does not work in the educational system any more than it works with clothing.
    I tend to disagree....a good solution that doesn't fit the situation might be still a lot better than a very bad solution that fits no one. Additional the solution will over time form the system.
    A good, say Norway system (no idea if it is good), might don't fit at all and will bring on the beginning worse results (hard to believe) than the system now. But if enforced will all power, in 20 years it will change the environment till it fits. I found every kind of Thai management system weak (to be polite) and any western or more eastern system would improve it.

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    Re: this story caused quite a buzz at school

    Different ideas and opinions make the world a more interesting place, and provide food for thought.

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    Re: this story caused quite a buzz at school

    Hi

    here is a recent ancedote from my school that will show where the problem lies and how hard it will be to fix.
    Just finished Final tests. Doesn't matter if you pass or not, will still move ahead and if your parents are paying extra for the MEP class you can be totaly illiterate not only in english but in Thai and still move ahead.

    As I was checking students while they were doing Math finals, I noticed some of the students had some wrong answer when they finished. I told then they still had lots of time and they should re-check their answers. they all said no they wanted to go play. they didn't care.

    That is the problem. the students don't care and these are 3rd and 4th grade 3/1 and 4/1 supposedly
    the best.

    I do have a few that do care. One girl got a perfect score in math and science. she came up to me and said I always check my answers like you tell me to.

    So they all want to know what their scores are to compare. so I used that time to try and shame the lazy ones by telling them how Cookie got a perfect score and the rest were too lazy to check.

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    Re: this story caused quite a buzz at school

    Quote Originally Posted by khonrai View Post
    Hi

    here is a recent ancedote from my school that will show where the problem lies and how hard it will be to fix.
    Just finished Final tests. Doesn't matter if you pass or not, will still move ahead and if your parents are paying extra for the MEP class you can be totaly illiterate not only in english but in Thai and still move ahead.

    As I was checking students while they were doing Math finals, I noticed some of the students had some wrong answer when they finished. I told then they still had lots of time and they should re-check their answers. they all said no they wanted to go play. they didn't care.

    That is the problem. the students don't care and these are 3rd and 4th grade 3/1 and 4/1 supposedly
    the best.

    I do have a few that do care. One girl got a perfect score in math and science. she came up to me and said I always check my answers like you tell me to.

    So they all want to know what their scores are to compare. so I used that time to try and shame the lazy ones by telling them how Cookie got a perfect score and the rest were too lazy to check.
    That would be extreme easy to fix....If it is a private school at the end of the school, if government school every end of year:
    Some minimum required test and results, country wide on the same, same hour. Who fail don't get the degree, if in a private school 90% fail, it is no university (or however it called itself) anymore.
    =revoking the license....making it harder every year. Technically easy....just need the will to do it.
    If the "university" get a warning that next year they are downgraded to "Kindergarten" if again 90% fail than they'll take care of it themself. And if Thailand can't do, take an outside company that make the tests and email them to the school 30 min before.
    Not fit into Thai culture and there is enough fraud in the west, but other countries could do it so Thailand can do it.
    (in my technical college was the target of the teachers to have a minimum of 50 % drop out rate. At my university they had to many people for the expensive labs so they increased the minimum to 75% on every test. From 1000 people 240 passed)

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    Re: this story caused quite a buzz at school

    Hi

    but h90 you don't understand thainess LOL.
    No way thailand would let any outsiders tell them how to run their schools And to fix the system will not be easy at all. will take a total revamp and mindset which Thailand does not seem to want to do.

    I'm not talking about university but kindergaten and primary government school.
    Once the students do manage to get into University they do OK.

    and a lot of the private and some international schools are nothing but money making ventures.

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    Re: this story caused quite a buzz at school

    Quote Originally Posted by khonrai View Post
    Hi

    but h90 you don't understand thainess LOL.
    No way thailand would let any outsiders tell them how to run their schools And to fix the system will not be easy at all. will take a total revamp and mindset which Thailand does not seem to want to do.

    I'm not talking about university but kindergaten and primary government school.
    Once the students do manage to get into University they do OK.

    and a lot of the private and some international schools are nothing but money making ventures.
    I think that one sentence describes the whole problem: "Thailand does not seem to want to do".
    University I doubt they do OK, we have some University degree people in the office and what they know and their competence to figure out things on themself / independent thinking is poor.
    They are smart people but they are not University level...maybe College level. Or maybe there was just too much time lost in primary and secondary school?

    The same test at the same time at every school and government could find the best performing and the worst performing teacher countrywide. Not difficult to do. But as you say "Thailand does not seem to want to do".
    Fail in education, fail in aviation, fail with water management, fail with slave labor......

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    Re: this story caused quite a buzz at school

    Hi

    More good news for teachers amd students

    http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/o...onal-disrepair

    might be my last year of teaching here at government school.

    Thailand's children deserve so much more .
    Looking more and,more like Myanmar will be more democratic and have a better education system than Thailand in a few year

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